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Your Imperfections Are Your Superpower (w/ Dawn Bradley)

• Ryan Weeden • Episode 61

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Can starting your own business lead to panic attacks? Join us as we uncover the inspiring journey of Dawn Bradley, a veteran in the hair industry who transformed adversity into opportunity. Since stepping into the hairstyling world in 2001 and launching her own business in 2010, Dawn has experienced both triumph and turmoil, climaxing in a severe stress-induced panic attack in 2016. This pivotal moment reshaped her approach to business, inspiring her to educate others on sustainable practices, the importance of setting boundaries, and the dangers of people-pleasing and seeking external validation.

In our chat, Dawn candidly addresses the tug-of-war between passion and mental health, drawing from personal anecdotes that many in the service industry will find relatable. We delve into the persistent battle with imposter syndrome and the quest for self-validation, especially for those who didn't follow traditional educational paths. Dawn's heartfelt reflections emphasize the critical role of pushing through discomfort and recognizing that feelings of inadequacy often signal growth. By trusting the validation from clients and peers, who often see our true value more clearly, we can navigate these challenges more confidently.

Finally, we explore the empowering notion of taking imperfect action and embracing authenticity. Dawn shares her own stories of nervousness and imposter syndrome, underscoring how being transparent and vulnerable can forge stronger personal and professional connections. Through discussions on the importance of practice, the courage to fail, and the power of taking bold steps, we highlight the potential within each of us to achieve our dreams with commitment and authenticity. Don't miss our light-hearted wrap-up, where we share a playful conversation about sports and aspirations, and express our immense gratitude to Dawn for her openness and honesty.

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Speaker 1:

Hey everybody, welcome back. I've got Dawn Bradley here. Ah, the crowd goes wild. Get ready for Masterclass. No, just kidding, but we're here. I don't know where this is going to go. I didn't sleep a lot last night and it shows the weirdness comes out. But you guys like a little bit of weird, right? Anyway, I've got another fellow weirdo here. We all love Dawn. She is amazing. I love everything that you stand for. Thank you. I want to pick your brain a little bit on, kind of like what makes you tick where you came from, where you're going. You know we'll be here for a couple of days talking about this, because I know there's a lot of life lessons here. Yeah, but thanks for being here.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, thanks for having me. I'm so excited that you're weird as well. Yeah, makes me feel right at home, so let's get into it.

Speaker 1:

Yeah Well so tell me a little bit. So you do hair still or you don't do hair. When did you get into the whole hair business?

Speaker 2:

I became a hairstylist in 2001 as something that I thought was like a secondhand, throwaway career. But when I really started getting serious about business was in 2010, when I started my own business and I went out on my own and I did things all the wrong way the first time and I got really passionate about educating other people in I believe it was 2018. So in 2016, I hit complete burnout. I'd been pushing myself to the limit, ended up in the hospital thinking I was dying from a stroke. Turns out it was a stress-induced panic attack and from that moment on, I vowed to help other people avoid that at all costs, because it's really easy to grow a business all the wrong ways and not be able to build something long-term, sustainable.

Speaker 2:

So, that's the Colesnote version of my career.

Speaker 1:

You said that you did everything the wrong way at first. Was that basically when you started hair 2001 to 2010? Or you did everything the wrong way when you started your business in 2010?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I would say I did it the wrong way when you started your business in 2010?. Yeah, I would say I did it the wrong way when I started my business. I remember having worked. I'd worked for a great salon in my hometown. I'd also gone overseas to the UK and Australia and worked over there and I had all these different ideas of how I would do things if it was my own business and definitely some naive belief that I had the right way figured out.

Speaker 2:

And when I have my own business, I would do it this way because. And so when I left the salon that I was in, I remember thinking like I'm going to rock this customer service thing and the reality was I wasn't good at customer service, I just had a complete lack of boundaries and I viewed it as a great customer service.

Speaker 1:

Were you in your twenties.

Speaker 2:

I was 27. Yeah, twenties, yeah.

Speaker 1:

This is when you think you have it all figured out.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and I was so proud, flaps you in the face.

Speaker 1:

You're like all right, I didn't know anything.

Speaker 2:

And you know, like I never said no to a client, I'd always come in whenever they asked. And I had so much pride in like I'm so good at this and I, it filled me up to hear people telling me how good I was doing. And so I got this ego which I always say I didn't come across egotistical, it came across very humble. And I was a people pleaser. And ego has a sneaky way for us people pleasers in convincing ourselves that we're such good people.

Speaker 1:

Right.

Speaker 2:

Right, and really it's your ego thriving off off of telling people, telling me like, oh, thank you so much, or no one else can do my hair, and I lived off of that and that was my identity and that was my value and worth as a human, and so the more I could make people need me, the more I felt like I was a valuable human and it was a really hard reality lesson to realize that, no, it was just a business transaction I always get a little cringy when I hear somebody say oh no, you can trust me, you know, tell me you can trust me.

Speaker 1:

Or, like you had just said, what did you say?

Speaker 2:

You said gosh, I don't know either.

Speaker 1:

I'm telling you it's caffeine-fueled self today. But if somebody says you can trust me or yeah, I'm a good person, that's what it was Like, well, prove it, I'm not just going to take your word for it. I feel like people that are constantly telling people they're a good person or that, no, I'm a really good person, I'm really a good tipper. It's like they're trying to justify themselves for all their sins or the things that they do that's not so commonly liked, that they're like well, I make up for it here, even if they're not. They're just trying to make themselves put themselves on a pedestal.

Speaker 2:

And I find, like true confidence, people almost get offended by because you don't need that. When you have, like, true confidence in yourself, you don't need the external validation. And then people are like, oh, like, why aren't they overly apologetic? Right, and when you need, when you thrive on the external validation, it's almost more socially acceptable where you know you're like, oh, I'm sorry. Or you know, when you, when you have that confidence and trust in yourself, you're not asking for other people's approval, and that's where I mean compassion comes into it. But yeah, I definitely like everything was like feeding off of other people telling me I was worthy and valuable through my career, and so when I had my breaking point, I was like, wait, who am I outside of this?

Speaker 1:

and that was huge so you have a long history of you said you had a panic attack, a major panic attack that once you thought you're having a stroke and dying. Yeah, you went to the hospital and I understand that because I did the same thing in college. I had this panic attack. I didn't know it was a panic attack. I thought I was dying because I was having to be doing drugs at the time and I was doing a lot of drugs at the time and I thought that I'm going to OD. I'm dying, I'm going to OD. So I went to the hospital and I told them I think I'm ODing. I took a bunch of ecstasy. I don't know what's going on. Please don't let me die. On this table they put all these heart monitors on to me and after an hour well, probably more like seven hours, because it's a hospital they take forever. They're like, you're fine. Nothing came back. Your heart's good, your breathing's good. I'm like. I don't feel good. Something's not right. Here's some Gatorade and a Tylenol. Go home.

Speaker 2:

Wow.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I feel like this was in the mid-90s Okay, about 96. Okay, 95, 96. When this was in the in the mid 90s okay, about 96, okay, 95, 96. When this was happening, panic attacks weren't talked about, weren't common. Mental health wasn't talked about, wasn't common. So I, I know that you go there and the nurses and the doctors, they just want to keep you alive at the hospital. That's all they care about. You're not dying, okay, can leave now figure out your issues somewhere else, right. But I went to then I went to doctors after that and the guy's like, I think you had a panic attack. I'm like what the fuck?

Speaker 2:

is that Wow?

Speaker 1:

And that's when I started a whole journey of trying to learn how to deal with it, try different medications to mitigate it, because it was debilitating debilitating for a long time.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, it's almost like when your awareness is created around it. It almost feels like it gets worse, cause I I mean I self-medicated for a long time. I wasn't diagnosed with anxiety for a really long time and my story, I mean I, when I moved in 2014 to a city where I knew no one and I didn't go into a salon to work with other people, so I had no community in the industry I put on this front that like, I don't mess up, I never fail, I'm perfect. You know, 20, 2015 Instagram era where everything was like picture perfect, and I remember it was January 30th 2016 that that previous week I'd gotten a call from Cosmoprof inviting me down to the ISSC show and I'd have to pay my own way to come down.

Speaker 2:

But they wanted me to be part of this photo shoot and I couldn't reschedule this one client and I thought the time I just started my education, I was like but my clients are still my bread and butter, and so I decided to not go because I didn't really know what this photo shoot was about, and stayed for my client and that client's hair fried off. I put open air balayage on and within 10 minutes, it was like smoking and like on fire and I didn't know what was happening. I remember rinsing, taking her to the sink, rinsing it out. It was palest yellow, going like, oh my God, this has been my worst nightmare my entire career. Brought her back to my chair, combed it and the hair just came with it and at that moment my stomach flipped and I thought clearly I've faked my way for the last 16 years and this proves that I suck and I'm not worth it.

Speaker 2:

And then I found out that photo shoot that I declined was the first ever artistic team for Cosmo Prof. And I remember thinking like how did I mess up? I thought I did the honorable thing by staying for my client and then all these people that were part of the photo shoot got this thing and I was like I just messed up my career and I went into a deep, dark depression until August 30th that same year was when I started throwing up every 20 minutes. I started convulsing. Uh, in Canada we can like phone and talk to a registered nurse on the phone, which is pretty cool, and they're I think you're having a seizure like coherent threw up like six times on the way to the hospital, was you know? My limbs went numb, I thought I was having a stroke.

Speaker 2:

My boyfriend at the time I was like go get help, and he kind of like sauntered like so slowly because I think internally what I was experiencing was very different than what I appeared externally and that's what was the panic attack. I had hyperventilated so much that all the oxygen was out of my blood. My arms went numb and stiff and I remember thinking this is it. And that whole night where I thought this is my last night on earth. I was thinking about work and that's when I realized, okay, life isn't all work and I need to make some lifestyle changes, which has been one of the proudest things I've ever done and one of the most extremely hardest things, because my identity was so based in what I did for other people. And if I don't, if I'm not working with clients, if I'm not bending over backwards, who am I?

Speaker 1:

Right. What was the reason for all the throwing up? Was it something you want to talk about, or was it something? Was it just stress induced?

Speaker 2:

It was just stress induced. Yeah, I mean, I had had pizza.

Speaker 1:

Sure, it could have been the pizza yeah.

Speaker 2:

But it's so. I threw up every 20 minutes and yeah, to the point where it's just stomach bile. And in Canada we're known for our free healthcare, but once again it's not quick. Right so, yay, we don't have to pay for it.

Speaker 2:

But I waited, I think, six hours, continuing to throw up every 20 minutes, until I saw a doctor, and I think they gave me like an Ativan and I was fine, but my body was literally purging all that stress and anxiety and I remember I had a couple classes I was teaching in Portland and in LA and I was like I should just refund all the tickets. Like who am I to be doing this? I don't deserve this. I'm getting everything. Was like I should just refund all the tickets. Like who am I to be doing this? I don't deserve this. I'm getting everything I ever wanted. I should just go live off the land, get rid of, go off grid. I mean, I'm like the least domestic person there is.

Speaker 2:

So I would last like half a day like out on the wild and be like where's McDonald's, but I just wanted to shut it all down. I was so overwhelmed, so stressed out, and that's when I realized I need better boundaries with myself. I need better boundaries with my work and with social media.

Speaker 1:

Okay, so hospital panic attack, throwing up panic attack, stress induced.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, my body literally just being like get this stress out.

Speaker 1:

And then you realize you need to do these boundaries. How did that impact you? To where you are now today and the direction of what you're teaching?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I mean a lot of my education. Well, all of my education really is focused from taking care of yourself first, respecting yourself, having healthy boundaries, and I find when you have, when you've been a people pleaser, the pendulum's way over here and oftentimes it swings way over to the other side. We overcorrect until landing in the middle, and so I mean 2016 was feels like yesterday and also feels like forever ago, and it took me some time. I really had to reset my nervous system. I had to learn to develop an identity outside of my work, while still being able to be passionate about my work and really making sure that I built something that wasn't built off of I was gonna say blood, sweat and tears, but like built off of me, going into this high state of anxiety all the time, which is tough because that anxiety can be really motivating. And so, to be honest, I've really struggled with how can I keep myself motivated without putting myself into a position that's not good for my mental health Sure.

Speaker 2:

And it is a balance, because I don't want to get so comfortable that I don't push myself, but I don't want to push myself so hard that it affects my health. So I wish I had, like, the right answer, but that's really why you got a lot of answers, I'm sure Because you're one.

Speaker 1:

you're being honest with yourself along the way, where at one point you realize well, I have an ego. I got to put that in check. My ego for my exemplary customer service is not really that exemplary. I just don't have any boundaries. So people are walking all over me and taking advantage of me.

Speaker 1:

They're probably you're probably emotionally discounting Because I know you talk about that and this is an ongoing thing with stylists, with any probably any service profession. You're anybody, any position you're in where you're giving a service, whether it's a luxury service or not, but especially in the luxury service business. Because I feel like there's that imposter syndrome for some of us that maybe didn't go to college, didn't spend all this time, and the person in our chair might be way more educated than us on paper, but we're making more than them. And then there's that part of us that feels like that shouldn't be right. I shouldn't be able to make more than this person and have fun doing what I do. They hate their job. They make good money, but I make actually more than them and I love my job. I should give them a discount because I don't want them to think I'm trying to take advantage of them.

Speaker 1:

How did you get through the imposter syndrome of you were just saying that you had to teach a class and you thought like, who am I to do this? So somebody that has imposter syndrome, even just being a stylist behind the chair? Who am I to give this person a balayage? They could go to anybody else. How do you overcome that, even at the foundational level?

Speaker 2:

Well, it's funny that you say that, because I remember the first time I was on the phone with a friend of mine and he said imposter syndrome. And this is probably in 2015. And I was like what's that? And he's like sounds like that's what you've got. And I had literally just started my independent education and I had gotten an email from these two girls that had given me a deposit to teach them privately. And the email stated that hey, we were just really looking for advanced education and we just had to fix one of your clients hair, so we'd like our deposit back.

Speaker 2:

And it felt like a knife went in my gut and they twisted it. And I remember being like who am I Like? Clearly, you have to be perfect in order to do things, and that kind of started this whole like I shouldn't be allowed to take messy, immediate, imperfect action. But I remember someone saying like real imposters don't feel imposter syndrome. And I really liked that. I'm like you know what? There isn't an arrival point.

Speaker 2:

And so now I kind of ask myself if I'm not feeling imposter syndrome. I'm not probably pushing myself hard enough and honestly, I forget who I saw said it recently. But they said imposter syndrome is something you only feel yourself. But clearly the people that you're working with either they're hiring you or they're your clients. They obviously don't think you're an imposter and so trust their opinion or trust their vision. But I wish I had like a trick to get rid of imposter syndrome. But I think, looking at it from a different angle, of going, this means I'm stretching and growing, because anytime I've felt it, I haven't regretted continuing moving forward. I've only regretted when I've played it safe and held back.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, Well, that's what I teach to people you have to take, especially in an uncomfortable situation, an uncomfortable role.

Speaker 1:

That's where we always feel that imposter syndrome, because not only do we really not know what's expected of that particular role, we don't know how to put ourselves into that and what to expect and what people are expecting of us, but in order to get through imposter syndrome, you've got to put yourself into that uncomfortable growth territory. I'd say take bold action, take immediate action, take constant action, because the more you put yourself out there, the further you put yourself out there, the closer you'll get to it in a comfort level. Your comfort bubble will grow to start to meet that and then you're going to feel more and more like hey, you know what I am? A dad. I guess I am kind of getting this thing. I got two kids they're five and three now and I'm starting to figure this out, even though every day, every age, is new. Now I have more confidence, after having years of data, because I've actually been trying to be a very present, very good father, not just because I, you know, gave something to my wife to make it all happen.

Speaker 1:

But because it's like the kids are happy, they're healthy, we're doing something right. So it's like we start. I understand, like I know what I'm doing and I don't know what's coming up in the future, but I have the confidence now to know that whatever happens, I'll handle it.

Speaker 2:

You know, and what just came to mind was the biggest thing that's actually helped me when I feel nervous or an imposter syndrome, is that feeling sticks with me only when I'm trying to be something I'm not, and so learning to be my full weirdo self. And I mean, even when I spoke at the hero event, I came out and like talked about nervous pooping beforehand.

Speaker 2:

And some people cringe, but it obviously like letting people know how I feel and being able to confidently talk about. Hey, I'm nervous right now, but I got to be honest, that's not my area of expertise and I don't feel like I'd be able to get you what you want. Being able to be honest and transparent has been the biggest flex in building trust with people and also, instead of over promising, I'm able to actually under promise and over deliver, and so being actually more transparent and more honest about what's going on internally actually invites people in, because I find I used to try to, like you know, have it all together and be perfect Sunglasses hat.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I'm an influencer.

Speaker 2:

I don't mess up, um, and it actually made me build this persona that I couldn't maintain, and so the moment that I kind of took a breath and was like, hey, I am a hot mess, I don't I flub up my words, I trip over things like and this is just who I am.

Speaker 2:

And that's. I don't need to apologize about it and I'm going to let people in. When I've built better connections with clients, I've made closer friends, because you attract what you are, and so when you're not being yourself, you attract people that aren't in a line with actually who you are, and then you're just this constant state of anxiety of like I can't maintain this persona and so, yeah, just letting your freak flag fly, I feel like.

Speaker 2:

I think really like being your authentic self, being your weirdo self, learning that that's okay and for the wrong people it's not going to be but, you're going to build those better connections and better understanding, and your business and your relationship with your clients will just grow because of it.

Speaker 1:

I like how you said too. Sometimes if you're nervous, you can kind of call yourself out on it or throw yourself under the bus, just be like gosh. I don't know why. I'm just really nervous today, you guys. Anybody feel nervous at all?

Speaker 1:

And what it does is it brings in that rapport, that relatability that they're like oh, they're just like me. That makes them think maybe that like, maybe one day I can do this, because we share a lot of the same similarities and if I work hard and my goal is to be on a stage or be teaching a class, maybe I can do that. She's not some superhuman or he's not somebody that was born from day one and forced to do this.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 1:

They chose to do it.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and they're flawed. Like there's oftentimes where I'm like I'm just me. I don't get why people like think I'm anything special. I don't know if you I mean that's to my own detriment, but sometimes you forget, because you're just yourself, how other people might view it. And inviting people in on the experience. I remember the first time I spoke I'd always dreamed of speaking on stages and my very first opportunity I was so nervous and I came out and I went oh, my pits are so sweaty and everybody laughed.

Speaker 2:

And that was when I realized, like, oh, letting people in on the experience and everyone can relate to that and most people use those things to keep them from taking the steps forward. Like, oh, I'd be too nervous, like I've always wanted to, but I'd be too nervous. Maybe they want to become an educator or maybe they want to get into balayage, but they've always, you know, done things in a certain way. It's being willing to take that step out of your comfort zone the first time. It's not that you and I have anything figured out or that I always say I didn't have this, like halo that came down from the heavens anointing me with confidence. It took practice and being willing to fail a lot of times.

Speaker 1:

I liken it to almost a video game, where it's like you have different levels, yeah, and just because we're maybe at a different, higher level than some people are, doesn't mean that they can't get there with practice, with commitment.

Speaker 2:

I mean, if I can do it, anyone can.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, it takes that focus, it takes that drive.

Speaker 1:

And I think it is more in some of us than it is in others that drive, but it also it. We all have dreams and what are our dreams? Once we get clear on that, I think it helps us with our internal GPS, helps us focus on where we want to go. I think that's the first step on really getting the most out of life. What are your dreams and are you doing what it takes to get there? Are you moving in that direction?

Speaker 1:

You have an analogy that you use in your masterclass too, where staircase a lot of people are trying to go up to the top of the staircase in one big step and you're just like that's even if you could get there Kind of weird Sure, it'd be really weird if you had some serious long legs, but even if you could get there in one step, all those steps that you missed in between were experience. So if something happens at the top that you would have normally dealt with on the way here, suddenly you're going to be knocked all the way back down to the bottom, whereas if you're systematically going up all these different steps of experience to different level level one, level two, level three something happens at the top. It might just drop you down a little bit but you'll know how to fix it right away and get right back on there Totally.

Speaker 2:

It's not going to strike you out of the blue. Yeah, and I think yeah, people just need to be willing that those small, inconsistent or inconsistent- small inconsistency, especially with your Instagram.

Speaker 2:

Just kidding can especially with your Instagram Small, insignificant steps people really undervalue, and connections and relationships are, I feel, like that's that's the most important thing and being willing to, I think, drop our egos and thinking we have to have it all figured out before. I mean, you were saying earlier today when we were talking that just start before you're ready. And I really think that's the biggest thing that I've learned is start. Like it's so easy to get into that procrastinate planning of like okay, like let me get it all figured out so that then I can do it confidently. But the reality is you just got to start and the confidence comes.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I say bless you.

Speaker 2:

Oh, her spills. Let me keep that in.

Speaker 1:

Give her a tissue. Gross yeah, but do you need a tissue?

Speaker 2:

Do I have it all over my face? No, I think I'm okay, I'm good, I'm good, thank you.

Speaker 1:

I like the phrase done is better than perfect, Because perfect is really hard to achieve and if you're always striving for perfection, you're going to be disappointed most of the time.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and completely unrelatable.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah, I saw this quote recently. This other quote on this. It says when talking about done is better than perfect, well define done.

Speaker 2:

What does done mean?

Speaker 1:

Yeah, Because for some done might than perfect. Well define, done what does done mean.

Speaker 1:

Because, for some, done might mean perfect. Because if you're trying to start something and you're not sure if you're ready to, let's say, launch a new course, teach your first class, do your first Instagram reel, whatever that is what's good enough to get started. You need to define what done is Okay, so done is I have. I shot one video. I have a sales page, you know, for online education and people can actually pay and I can actually start making money off it. Is that done or is done? I need to have 12 videos all synchronized for this. Or if I have a class, I have to have all my tickets sold before I actually say, okay, we're really having this class.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1:

Or is it just, or is done just like. I have a date, I set a date and it's a hard date. I have a salon that's going to host it. There's no tickets sold yet, but I'm going to announce it. Is that done? So defining done is also important.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I remember when I started educating and like announcing a class was so scary because I'm like what if nobody buys a ticket? I'm like no one else will know if no one buys a ticket.

Speaker 2:

It was like this whole emotional or same with moving to a new city where I knew no one and starting to accept clients. I'm like what if nobody books in? And I think the what ifs and the fear can hold us back and then actually is like the predictor of not being successful, because, oh, I'm scared to be seen and scared to be seen trying, because what if I don't get the result I want? But then the other option is don't do it, don't put yourself out there for new clients or don't put the class out there and for sure not get it. And so being willing to like drop our ego and our pride and for me I think it came to why am I doing this? And it's to serve other people. It's either to serve my clients and have them feel good or to serve my students and help them develop their confidence and better boundaries and a better business and realizing it's not about me and so I need to stop worrying about how I appear to people.

Speaker 1:

Sure, easier said than done. Sure, of course. Then also, it's like you have to decide well, what's the alternative? If I don't do this, if I don't teach classes, or if I don't try to promote my classes, then I'll never teach a class. I might never teach a class because, even if a big brand, for instance, saw me because my work was great and they wanted me to teach a class, if I have never taught any classes I'm probably going to be terrible. It's kind of like the first time. Well, I don't want to go live on Instagram because nobody's going to watch me. Well, that's probably good, because you're probably going to suck the first several dozen times. So, if you have one or two people willing to watch you for that time, practice, do something. But it takes those positive steps forward to build the experience which is going to start to build the muscle memory and that confidence.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and realizing like, if only one person's watching it, what if you change their life? Yeah, and I remember the first time I went live. I literally like showered, did my hair, put my makeup on, got an outfit. And now I have a thing called business breakfast and bedhead, where I literally roll out of bed and go live.

Speaker 2:

And that actually built more connection with people. And I remember like after it started catching on, I was like, oh, I should do this more professionally and these shoulds I would tell myself of. Success means being this way, when in reality, the more of my weird I let out and the more of like my authentic, just like randomness, the more I build connection and the more it helps change people's lives and businesses, which ultimately changes their bank accounts.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah. Well, it adds that relatability, especially if they can see you when you just roll out of bed.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, like this is not my usual.

Speaker 1:

But then they also see you like this. They know that you're just not a. You actually do shower sometimes, you know. So it's nice that they see all the sides of you. People want to have that almost that voyeuristic look into other successful people's lives so that they know that like they have something to relate, to be like oh, they don't wake up looking perfect or have all the right things to say, or it's nice to know that the people that are looked up to don't have it all figured out but they can still be massively successful.

Speaker 2:

It gives a lot of hope to a lot of people yeah, like I don't have everything figured out and half the time I'm winging it and you know man, I feel that, yeah, right it's like even like we were talking earlier and I was like okay, ryan's just as hot mess as I am. Like this is really like a sigh, like a deep breath of fresh air to realize that, like everyone's just doing their best and taking one step at a time.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I think, and I think the the the big takeaway from this is even if you're a hot mess, the most important thing is just to get started.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 1:

Start doing something, learn along the way. The ready fire aim approach.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, like I remember hearing a statistic that baseball players hit a home run less than 1% of the time. And you don't see baseball players being like, well, if I can't hit a home run less than 1% of the time, and you don't see baseball players being like, well, if I can't hit a home run, I'm not going to do it.

Speaker 1:

It's like they don't hit the ball Right.

Speaker 2:

I don't know baseball very well, but like the reality is it's like it's not about hitting a home run every time and taking that pressure off yourself to hit a home run and realizing that, like just trying just showing up, you're already leaps and bounds ahead of so many other people Because people are stuck in the well, the procrastinate planning of like I'll get it all figured out ahead of time so that there's no chance of messing up. But it is in the messing up, it is in the messy, immediate, imperfect action that the growth comes from.

Speaker 1:

Right, right, I think baseball players. What if they have a good like ERA? Is it ERA, era?

Speaker 2:

No idea ERA.

Speaker 1:

Is that pitchers? Is that pitchers I don't know Batting averages? If they hit it like 30% of the time, it's like pretty good, or something. Out of a fish, out of water. On this one with baseball.

Speaker 2:

I think we should become baseball players.

Speaker 1:

We should become baseball players.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I was thinking rugby too. Mob baseball team.

Speaker 1:

Well, dawn, it's been magical having you here. I love being around somebody, so you know. So open and honest it's it's, uh, it's great, yeah, but anyway, thank you guys all so much for joining us today. Big round of applause for dawn bradley you'll see more of her, as we always do, and uh, thank you so much for being here and thank you for having me travels back to canada back to the great white north.

Speaker 2:

My moose is on its way.

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